What does the Bible say about Women In Leadership?

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If people really understood or stopped being so judgmental about the clothing, that God doesn't care about the clothes. It's your soul. I always had to I was, as a young mother, I was always like, man, this is all I have to wear. I didn't I didn't, you know, I had my pants. I had a couple of dresses that I had, and I was judged for that.

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But I'm like, this is what I have. But I'm not gonna allow anything to stop me from coming. Mhmm. To stop me from being a light.

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That

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was pretty good. So whenever you hear that song, now the name of that is Kingdom Come. Kingdom, right? So that is Marcus's creation right there. Whenever you hear that song, by the way, did you participate on that at all?

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No, did I not.

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Okay. All right. Just wanted to know because she's a musician also, so is Pastor Anne over here. We'll get more to that later though. Hey, everybody, welcome to God Class Podcast, our continuing podcast.

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How did I say that?

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You did it, you nailed it.

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Yeah. I let Pastor Marcus do it the last time because it's kind of tongue twister, right?

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It is.

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Absolutely, me too.

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Okay, so I'm Roy Resto, one of your podcast hosts. And this is? Marcus Martin. I am Salt.

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And I'm Pepper.

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Welcome to the Salt and Pepper Show. Marcus, have we wore that out, man,

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or what?

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No, no, man. We haven't wore it out.

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It's corny, it's going to always be corny, by the way.

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It's always going to be corny, but it's going to be going on. That's right. That's right. So listen, I'm going to turn it over to my partner. Marcus.

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What are we talking about today?

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We're talking about women in church leadership. Wow. Wow. I love it. I love this subject because, you know, there's there's always gonna be differing, you know, opinions about it.

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But the only opinion that matters is the word of

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God. Amen. That's right.

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So that's that's what we're gonna break into. We're gonna get some practical conversation going. We're gonna get some testimonials, some experiences from these, great women of God. We have pastor Anne here. We have pastor Lashana here, both seasoned, pastors.

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And and so we're gonna we're gonna have some conversation. Think it's gonna be good.

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Oh my gosh. Okay. So I'm surrounded by three pastors over here today. I better watch every single word I say or there'll be plenty of fingers shaking. This is all good.

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So when we say women in church leadership, why why does that why do we even need to talk about that, right, in today's world? But we do need to talk about it because there's some lingering issues out there we need to talk about today. But you know, in the whole thing about that, I was just thinking that we like winners. Okay? What I mean by that is, if a certain group or a certain topic or group of people need to come out and be popular, If you get a winner, that increases the likelihood of your popularity, right?

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So like for example, here in The United States people talk about, well Roy, how come soccer isn't really as popular as the rest of the world? I'm saying, well, we're waiting for a winner. Nothing's like a winning team.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And it just so happens that the ladies soccer team, they're the ones that are drawing the most attention right now because they're really good.

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That's right.

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They're really good. And I was just thinking in the Old Testament, one of the winners I liked was Deborah or Deborah, however you want to call it that. And you know, she was one of the judges. She was the only woman judge. The only woman judge of the judges.

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And by the way, the judges were the ones that more or less ruled Israel before kings came along.

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Absolutely.

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And Deborah, she was the only female judge and the only one to be called a prophet. She was the only one described as performing judicial functions. By the way, all the judges don't think of judges as in the court sense. But what if you in case you do, Deborah was the only one that performed any anything that resembled a thing judicial Yes, exactly. And also Deborah was a decisive figure in the defeat of the Canaanites.

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So that's in the Old Testament. Another name that comes to mind for me is cause of the local connection, is Golda Maier. Now she's not a biblical figure, but she was an Israeli politician who served as the fourth prime minister of Israel from '69 to '74. And she was Israel's first and only female head of government and the first in The Middle East. And she was a winner and she the reason why I even mentioned her is because she spent a bit of time here in Milwaukee.

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She she went to school here and then went back to Israel and continued her great career. And by the way, there's a great movie called Golda, if you have the opportunity to But see before we turn it over to the ladies, that's the reason why we invited the ladies here for this session and the next one is because they are women in leadership. So I'd like to start off, introduce yourselves and just tell us a little bit about what you're doing in the community. Anybody can go first.

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My name is Pastor Ann Kamalewski, and I co pastor a church in Pewaukee called Outfitters Ministries, which really our thing is to engage God, encounter God, equip people, and also engage in culture. So we don't want to run from culture. We want to engage in culture and bring our influence in. So that's for both men and women, of course. So we absolutely love the community.

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We do community things. We're involved in Teen Challenge, which is drug and rehab. We do all sorts of things to help community. We help the homeless. So very important that we be involved in things like that, outreach, of course.

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But we really like building up the body of Christ for the work of the ministry. That's really a key thing for us.

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When Pastor Ann preaches, I'm right on there. She is a firecracker. She's like Pastor Marcus, they preach I want to be there. Bless you, sir. Yeah.

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Thank

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you. My name is Pastor Lashonda. I've been a pastor since 2011. I'm co pastor to my pastor which

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is That's my boo.

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My pastor, Apostle Marcus Martin. So, right now, we had a church for twelve years, Living Worship International Center, and God called us to travel. So now, as my husband go, I lead worship, or speak when God put it on my heart or someone called me to speak. In the community, we do anything that we can, right now whether it's going into the schools, whether going into people's homes and need prayer, deliverance, counsel.

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LaShawn, I haven't heard you preach. So next time if you're scheduled to preach somewhere let us know unless it conflicts with our own church I'd like to go there. Mhmm. Yeah. Okay.

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Yeah. She's got a word. Got a

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word for sure. Yep. Mhmm. Were you gonna share something,

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Mark? I just I wanted to to kinda spark a little bit of a conversation. Spark. But I I I really wanted to to share a thought that I had. Right?

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I was thinking, how culture and it's funny that pastor Ann mentions culture because I think we view the Bible and we view things like, for example, what Paul said about a woman keeping quiet in the church and

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Oh, we gotta talk about that one. Yeah. We gotta talk about that one.

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Yep. We view those things, and we don't realize that there was a cultural effect to what he was saying. It was it was said for a reason. If you look at, Paul's teachings, if you go back, Paul mentioned several times, he's he said at one point, the the the woman came from the man. And, if you hear his teaching, Paul if you just take excerpts from his teaching, which is what we tend to do in this in this world, it would appear that Paul was, against women.

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Like, had he had statements that really appeared that way.

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Yep.

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But then his actions, his actual actions where he wrote letters and all of these men are there, and he commended the women for their work. And Yes. And he acknowledged them in his let every time he wrote a letter, he acknowledged some woman in some capacity. And so I think there there's an understanding that Paul, might have been saying, making certain statements against women, but really Paul was acknowledging women, but also acknowledging culture. There was an an understanding and culture that, hey, you know, Adam and Eve Eve ruined everything.

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You know? And so that that understanding began to trick you, triculate all the way down through through generations, and people begin to to view women in that in that light. And what what we really need to understand is that Paul was really not trying to demote women. He was really bringing value to what they bring to the table. What do you guys think?

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No, I totally agree. I mean, throughout scripture, so many names, Phoebe, Priscilla, I mean, so many names in the Bible

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You have a favorite?

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Of women. I love Deborah, of course. Oh, do? Yeah, because I feel like she's such a strong leader and an inspiration. But so many things in the Bible that promote women, that you see that God values women.

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And so that the leadership is a gift. And the leadership gift is not just male, but female. And it's promoted so much and beautifully put in scripture if you read the stories of some of the women of the Bible.

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And I totally agree. I think everything stems from the fall, from the beginning. That's why women were viewed the way they were viewed is because of the fall and really taking leadership of the man. So it's more of allowing the man to lead because the Bible it talks about Eve taking part of the fruit and giving it to Adam. So I believe that too that's what Paul is actually talking about when it comes to women leadership.

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It's not about telling the goodness of God. He said teach but it's more of he said also asking questions. So it's more of allowing the man to lead as the man. You know.

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Follows Christ.

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Harris: But when you go and if you go to the scripture when Jesus, as Jesus began to teach he never said a woman couldn't teach.

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That's

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right. I read the Matthew Martin Luther King, he does not say anything, about a woman teaching. Right. You know, so

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Jesus, I think Jesus had a a different value of women than the culture had.

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That's very true.

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Yeah. You know, because if you think I don't think people a lot of people know that, like, women were not protected as they should have been, right, in those in those times. And so you saw women taking on jobs as, like, prostitution, in the temples. Like, the temple, that's like the church. They're in the temple, and they're promoting prostitution.

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Why? They didn't have anybody to take care

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of them.

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Then you start to see these these men taking on several wives. Right? And we look at this, and we look at it as a badge of honor. It was a necessity. I think oftentimes we look at, we have to look at the Bible in two ways, a prescription and a description.

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Right? Some things God is, that's in the Bible because God is prescribing these things for us to do. And some things are just a description of the time that they were living in. It is not a prescription. It's not saying women shouldn't preach.

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It's not saying any of that. Paul was acknowledging the time that they were in.

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So let let me just ask you, ladies. Do you see any challenges, you know, being in a position of leadership? Is there anything, any stories or existing challenges that come to mind?

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At times, I think.

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Like what?

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I think because of traditions of men sometimes, and they don't understand. I think sometimes we can feel that. For me personally, it's about the call of God. And it's just like my self worth is in the worth that Jesus gives me. And so when He's called me to preach or speak, it's because of His call.

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And so who is anybody to recall anybody if God calls them, right? So there has been challenging times. And surprisingly, though you would think it's men, but I think sometimes women, I don't know about you, Lashonda, but it's like some of the women, they get in this kind of competitive thing, maybe even, there could be another subject, so it might be like jealousy But or stuff like when you're in leadership, it could bring up different things. And so I think the hardest times have been through actually coming from women that don't understand the leadership quality in other women.

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And I agree with Pastor Anne because God is my inspiration. I am inspired by God. If I can give a quick testimony. Doctor. Yeah.

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At 19, as a child my mom kept us in church. But at 19, I was a mother of two, a young mother already at 19. And I began to, I would go up and I would worship God in an attic. My cousin attic. God came in the attic and he changed my life.

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And so God inspired me. Once God touched me and I seen that he was real, I wanted to share him. And it didn't matter, it doesn't matter, no, I don't even look at the title. The title pastor doesn't matter to me. I respect the leadership in the titles, but that doesn't pop up in my mind when it comes to telling the goodness of God, when it comes to preaching the word of God.

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I just want people to know that he's real. He's a healer. He's a deliverer. And like Pastor Ann said, it's more of the experiences. Yeah, we go in, know, it's people that just have, it's people when you walk in a church, you see that they really don't acknowledge women as being pastors or in leadership.

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They may say, you know, minister or sister or I don't, that doesn't matter to me, but I have had more experiences with the women. So, really when it doesn't, it doesn't bother me not one bit because I know my inspiration and my inspiration is inspired by God and Jesus Christ. Yes. Amen.

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Do you do you guys see, more of a judgment when it comes to women's dress and attire?

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Oh, that's a good question.

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Yeah. Because I've I've seen that. I think I think women get really picked on

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Yeah.

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By how they dress. You know, maybe you decided to color your hair or maybe you decided to, you know, have a little more of a fitting dress, and now we have an issue with you because that's not holy.

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Well, I think we should all, as women, dress appropriately, and style. And I know that actually that's kind of an interesting topic because as you see, my hair has purple in it and sometimes people You're rebel. Yeah, I take a double take. Like I'm rebellious or something like that. But it's just me.

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And I have to be the best version of me because that's who God made me. I'm good with that. I'm secure in that, how God made me. And so sometimes a dress can be creative and an expression of yourself, of what you like, style you like. And that doesn't always meet everybody's expectation.

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But again, modest, stylish, but you have to be you. You have to be you.

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I totally agree. I like wearing pants, jeans, sometimes. Got skirts. I'm not a three piece suit hat. You know, I'm not that first lady or leader that, I mean if we have a tea party maybe I'll put on a hat or just me.

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Do people do tea parties anymore, Lashana? No.

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Do they? Doctor. With

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their daughter? With the pinky That's right, when you

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have I their tea. Doctor. Lipstick. I don't, like you said, being modest. It's all about being modest and just being you, you know.

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And if people really understood or stopped being so judgmental about the clothing that God doesn't care about the clothes, it's your soul. I always had to, as a young mother, I was always like, man, this is all I have to wear. I didn't I didn't you know, I had my pants. I had a couple of dresses that I had, and I was judged for that, but I'm like, this is what I have. But I'm not gonna allow anything to stop me from coming.

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Mhmm. Anything to stop me from being a light.

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That's You

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know? Mhmm. You know?

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Church should not be a prison. It should be a prism. Yeah. It should be a place that shapes Oh, I like that. People.

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Yeah. And not a place that judges them and tells them that they're not good enough, their clothes aren't right.

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Right. Right.

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Yeah. I I don't that's the one thing that I I really disagree with. I think we have to receive people as they are.

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Mhmm. Absolutely.

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And let God do the transfiguration.

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Always say that people need to we need to accept people where they're at and don't stumble over who they're not. Mhmm. Mhmm. You know, as far as seeing people because they're so valued. God said He created them in His image.

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I mean, how valuable is that? And so that's how we have to look at people. Even though they're not even aware of it, maybe they don't even act like it. But that doesn't matter. We give them the hope.

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God brings transformation. And it's a beautiful thing to see. Yeah. I

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think you both led churches, for sure. You're in positions of leadership. People tend to think of leadership in our day and age as the pastor. But that takes a lot more than the pastor. So if you were reaching out to the ladies in your churches, what other leadership opportunities are available for ladies?

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And how would you encourage them to get involved or to develop their talents they may have for those positions?

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Well, we always say at Outfitters that you're in ministry regardless. We're all in full time ministry. We're a reflection and an ambassador of Jesus Christ, right? So we go into the world bringing that light and that hope. Because if you don't have hope, you don't have the gospel.

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So we always say start whatever is in front of you. Just like Moses, God said, Moses, what's in your hand? And he had a staff. He started with what he had in hand. So you start with whoever's in front of you.

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I was a young mother as well at one time, but I had to see myself as a household engineer because I had orchestrated a lot of things. Every season of life has a call of God on

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it.

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And it may change, it may differ, but it's just as important and just as valued as we walk through life. And so I think for women that they feel they have a call of leadership, I think the first point is to serve. Be a servant. And just as Jesus says, He was a servant of all. It's just like that's how we learn.

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We learn to serve first. And I can honestly say I did not ask for leadership. I did not try to aspire to any leadership. But I served in my church. I started in the nursery, banging the toys with toddlers, working in children's ministry, working in youth, working in college and career.

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These were all things that God just, as you're serving, it's just like He prepares you for the next level, next level. So start wherever you're at and watch God just move on you. Be faithful for what God has called you to do and faithful in what you're doing and you'll see amazing results. And God will promote you to leadership if there's faithfulness. I think that's a key I to being

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agree. That is awesome. Because like you said, I started off, I didn't for, I didn't wanna be a pastor, I didn't ask to be a pastor. But I started off as, I was always sung when I was a little girl. I would sing and dance.

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And so when I came, like as I got older, I got in the choir. And so like she said, whatever is in front of you. And that's what I did. I was in the choir, I sung and then I served.

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Didn't come right out of the attic and into a leadership position then, right?

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Literally Addict Okay. Top Ministries.

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Addict, go with LaSrombo.

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Look, that was the greatest experience. And I told God I don't never want that experience to ever. I don't ever want the way he came in and I felt his presence. I don't ever want that to leave. I just had, when you guys mentioned the attic, it was amazing so I'm happy about the attic.

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I'm telling you. But no, I agree with you. Lead with what's in front of you. That's how you go into whatever it is and wherever God is gonna take you, He's gonna take you. Just go and serve like she said.

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Yeah, God opens doors. I always say, it's scriptural, your gift will make room for you. So it's not about trying and striving. And I think sometimes women can get into that to try to prove themselves kind of, of their worth or their call. And just let God prove you.

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You know, let God, as you trust God, He'll bring you to those places that you're called to. And He will equip you. Yeah. So Yeah. I agree.

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Quick question. And I'm gonna throw a curveball now. Alright?

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Okay. You're ready

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for this.

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Who is, so you you have a husband?

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Yes.

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Correct? You have a husband?

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Yes. Who

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is the leader of your church? Who is the who is the and and and don't give me the Christ. We know Christ is the leader of the church. In relationship to you and your husband, who is the leader? Who is the head of the church?

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You're you're the head of the church. I it didn't if if I would have met you and I had already been a pastor, once I married you, you became the leader. You're my pastor. And whether the congregation knew me first, my husband was gonna be introduced as

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the leader. Know, that's very refreshing. I mean that. That's very refreshing. You're not saying that is a duty.

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You're saying that's coming from your heart. Mhmm. Lashonda, that's beautiful.

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We had, you know, in ministry, we had a lot of we used to have conversations like this. And we had a lot of people that disagreed with her method. Right? They used to be like, you know, girl, you you got you put your pants on just like him, girl. You know?

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And and there's this this competition. She never had that. She never had that. People don't understand the amount of ministry she does to me. Right?

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I'm the one in the pulpit. I'm the one prophesying. I'm the one preaching. But people don't understand the amount of ministry that she does to me, the times that I've cried on her shoulders. Right?

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And I think we get so caught up in the title that we forget to really care about our duties. In in the scripture, says that she's a help me. There there was a there was a, I think it was called oh, the Hebrew word is ezer and kinegdo. So help suited or corresponding to. Right?

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So would you ever receive an email and shoot a text in response to it? You would you would communicate on the same level that you were communicated with. So when he says she's a help me in Genesis, he's not saying she's beneath him. She's saying that she corresponds or she communicates on the same level with God that he does. So we so I think my wife has that understanding and because she has that understanding, there's no fight.

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Yeah. I say something? So just like, you know, the Bible says that God is the head of I mean, Jesus is the head of the man. The man is the head of the woman. And God is the head of Christ.

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And so it's an order. I don't I would never overstep my boundaries when it comes to him. When it comes to even, like I said, if I was a pastor already and I met him and he took him as a husband and we got married, He is the one I go to counsel for. This is my leader. And so he's leading the church.

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He's leading me. He's leading the church. That's how

[00:27:37] - [Speaker 2]
We can't call that old fashioned. That's not old fashioned. That's just order in the church. Would you like that?

[00:27:43] - [Speaker 3]
Right. Yeah, and I think it's that mutual submission to one another and respecting each other's authority and presence, I think is so important, like with my husband and I. He is a wonderful supporter of what I do and I support him in whatever he does. We are in this together to support each other. So evaluate each other's differences too.

[00:28:12] - [Speaker 3]
You know what I mean? We have differences, but that's okay to have differences. I think sometimes we're afraid of differences that you have to be just like me. I think that's a beautiful tribute to, Well, that's another subject. But a woman and a man co laboring together, it's a beautiful thing.

[00:28:34] - [Speaker 3]
And I think that we see that. We can see that in our churches as well. I agree.

[00:28:39] - [Speaker 2]
Wow. Well, for sure there's still some lingering misconceptions in Christian dome out there. In some churches, they will not allow women to do whatever or to attain to certain positions that they're just not there. I don't think that's supported scripturally. I think we've all agreed on that today.

[00:29:03] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah, absolutely.

[00:29:04] - [Speaker 2]
Let me just say, do we all agree then that women in leadership is all right? Absolutely. That it's calling, right? Yeah. Okay.

[00:29:15] - [Speaker 2]
So with that, Pastor Ann, I was going to ask you for anybody in the audience, any of the ladies in the audience that have thought about it, or maybe they feel they have a calling in their life or a talent they haven't exercised in the church, would you mind saying a prayer for them?

[00:29:32] - [Speaker 3]
Sure, absolutely. So Lord, we just thank you for these women. Father, we thank you for the call upon their life. I pray that they embrace it with dignity and with honor and know, Lord, that they are accepted and valued by you. Father, strengthen them, hone their gifts, develop them Lord, and bring them to their purpose and destiny that you have for them.

[00:29:57] - [Speaker 3]
And we thank you for doing that. Encourage them today. We thank you for that, Lord, in Jesus name.

[00:30:02] - [Speaker 2]
Doctor. That's right. And before we end it with further prayer, just a reminder to everybody, God Class Podcast is what you're viewing right now. Do us that favor and bless us with the likes and subscriptions and insightgodcast.com. And we never like to end it without the opportunity for you to come to the Lord if you haven't or you've known the Lord in the past and you need to get right with God, maybe get up in your attic.

[00:30:33] - [Speaker 2]
I'm not gonna forget that, LaShawn. Okay? Anyway, pastor Marcus?

[00:30:39] - [Speaker 1]
Well, let's let's do this. I'll just have you repeat after me and you know, the scripture says that the the angels rejoice when one soul, enters into the kingdom. So just repeat after me. Say, Lord, forgive me for all of my sins, the ones that I know of and the ones that I don't know of. I recognize that you're able to forgive all sins.

[00:31:06] - [Speaker 1]
I confess my sins before you. You are faithful and just to forgive me and to cleanse me from all unrighteousness. And so I accept you now as my lord and savior. In Jesus name.

[00:31:24] - [Speaker 2]
Amen. Amen. That was beautiful. Bless you. Bless you.

[00:31:28] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. And if you have any ladies in church with the churches you're going to, give them some encouragement. Give them some feedback. Yes. All the pastors need feedback and encouragement, whether it's your tithes and offerings or your words, pats on the backs, a hug.

[00:31:41] - [Speaker 2]
Give it to them.

[00:31:42] - [Speaker 3]
Yes. Amen.

[00:31:43] - [Speaker 2]
Alright, everybody. See you. Alright. Take care.